I talk with Rick about how to stain wood, and his experience staining wood doors. We walk through preparing the wood, why pre stain conditioner is important, choosing the right stain, and how to apply polyurethane. Rick tell us all about it and then I add in some comments and suggestions when using wood stain.
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Eric: Hey real quick before we start the show, I just wanted to do a little shout out to garden for scientists. Tony. Um, he had a brain tumor and he posted a pretty amazing little video clip of while these staples in his head. I'm like, I want boy and I think, um, it stuff like that just kinda all of a sudden it makes you realize that if you can get up and walk and talk that the day's pretty good, you know? So, uh, we are thinking about you my friend and um, maybe you could save some staples for us. All right, so Salem Tony is in the garden fork discussion group on Facebook a lot and he was one of those guys that he was just on the show talking about chemicals. Not all chemicals are bad, which I agree with. All right, here we go. Ready my friend. I am ready.
Eric: hey there. Thanks for downloading the show. This is garden fork radio. My name is Eric. I host this DIY eclectic kind of podcast with my cool friends. I also have a youtube channel. Similar, hey, let's try this and see what happens kind of things. Today we're going to talk about staining wood with my good friend Rick Kennerley. Hello Sir. Hey, how are you my friend? I'm good. We don't have the hurricane. Do you have the hurricane and the hurricane is along the Gulf, right?
Rick: Well it's, it's already blown inland. Uh, and so, um, I think the inner center part of the country is getting kind of a drenched, but, um, I hadn't had it, I don't think it's got a hook over this direction. So, uh, we're doing pretty good. Just a little thunderstorm the area. Beulah, listen closely. You'll be able to hear it rumble every now and then.
Eric: I closed the door so you don't hear the air conditioner banging away in the other room. So,
Rick: oh,
Eric: so long story short, quite awhile ago, um, when I was renovating the house I live in now, I had to change out some doors. There were some French doors that opened up into our bedroom and we wanted them to be solid wood doors and it was quite a drama to figure out how to get some doors that would fit. Cause there it's a brown stone and the doors were oversized. We finally found out what to do. But I got these raw pine panel doors and I had this stain them in polyurethane. And I thought, well I'll make a video, two videos about this, right. Get yourself a twofer. And those two videos of some of those popular videos, other recent ones I've done, we're constantly, people are writing comments about it. And then you, um, thought you'd stained some doors.
Rick: Yeah. Um, one I want to really thank you for those two videos. They helped me so much in getting prepared and knowing what to buy and, and uh, the importance of reading the label because I did the same thing you did. And one of the, I think your staining video, I, uh, had two cans in my hand. One was a, uh, a stain and the other was a polyurethane. And when I was reading the back of the cans, which I learned from the video, I realized they were an incompatible. And so, you know, I mean you got to really pay attention to this stuff because a mistake can, it's, it's painful, uh, mean re sanding. Um, you know, recovery is a, is difficult to get back to the, a clean piece of wood. And so I really appreciate your, uh, your uh, Yo, setting those up for me.
Rick: Thank you. You can be on the show again. Thank you. Okay, well thank you. I've earned my key. So let's back wind. Let's hit the rewind button on the VHS recorder. Um, cause this was all sparked by, well Wallace of the weekend homestead cause it is. Hey had a barn door hinge kind of door and you know, he uh, he's renovating this uh, old, uh, camp ground that has some buildings. One, I think our was that in his house he did this house. It might have been at his house. He does so much work. It's hard to keep up with him. He makes me tired just watching him. But, uh, yeah, he did that. And I looked at and I said, that's really cool. And so I, you know, I emailed will and got some tips about how that process works because it's not as, it's straightforward, but it's not as straightforward as you might think about basically like a pipe overhead with these roller wheels that hold a door from the top and your role at open and you roll it closed, right.
Rick: And his was actually a kind of a, a bar instead of a pipe. And that's the real difference between ours. The bar has fixed stanchions where you mount, it mounts it, you have to mount at every so often along the wall, every so many feet or so many inches. And to do that, most of the time you've got to have a header board of a board you put up there, uh, that you tie into the, uh, the studs cause the likelihood of hitting a stud with the, even a few of those fixed, uh, stanchions on the, on the back of his rail are very, very small. Now when you have the bar, or at least the system that I have, the stanchions are independent, they, they, they're loose. And so you can put them where you need them and it's really easy just to, um, uh, one, put the hardware on top of your door and fit it first and then pull it and y'all stand it up and lift it up about half an edge off the floor and mark exactly where that is.
Rick: So you'll know where to put the, uh, the stanchion. Did you use a stud finder or, oh yeah, I have to use a stud finder, a yell to find the studs and ag. I locked. Um, we had two of these doors and I locked in almost every stud along there. I missed, uh, a one and I just put, I used a wall anchor in there because all I was going to do is support it so that wouldn't sag. All the weight was hanging from the, uh, the bar. So that worked out really well. The tricky part about this was, um, actually staining and, um, and prepping the doors and that raw wood when you bought them. Yeah. And they were terribly expensive. Um, it's, um, pine, uh, the first one and with a glass insert of specialty glass insert. The pattern is called rain, which was,
Eric: okay, we're going to, we'll post these pictures on the, uh, the website for, and you're also in the garden fork discussion group,
Rick: right. And uh, yeah, it looks like rain and it's, um, it's nice. In fact, it is raining outside right now. All that thunder is paying off so it provides light but gives you privacy. Exactly. And A, when they're lit from the back, they're quite attractive. And um, yeah, we just had to do something. Those little bi-fold doors that came with the house, this is a very old house. Um, we're just such a problem and they never worked right in the, uh, you know, anything that's caddy levered like that, uh, hooked on one side at the top and the bottom. And then the way to supported out over something is going to be a problematic. And so we just wanted to get rid of them and do something a little nicer. And the, so that's the solution that we came up with.
Eric: Yeah, it's interesting. Um, I, I've never seen the kind of roller thing that is, it's a stainless steel roller pipe cause they're usually, they're all painted black to look like, you know, a rod iron kind of black smithy thing. So yeah, that there's other, where did you buy those?
Rick: You know, uh, I hate to say this. I did my very best to buy from, uh, uh, you know, independent outfits online that, you know, the restoration hardware, you know, places like that. And in the end, and I couldn't find what I wanted because, uh, the pipe is kept on either end and by wanting it to be continuous so the doors could roll the full length of the pipe. And so there was a kit sold on Amazon that had, uh, two Tim foot poles or pipes and, uh, uh, center plug, uh, that you took the caps out instead the sitter plug to tie them together. And so I found that kit and the only place I could find it after weeks of shopping was at Amazon. And uh, he came in at about 160 for the entire, uh, entire set. One Bat.
Eric: Okay. So let's walk through you. So you've got rob pine doors, you're going to have to tape off the glass. But first, first kind of red flag is you're going to want to stain pine and
Rick: pine is a soft wood and those stains are built, are designed for hardwoods. So Lemon, did you make them miss the big mistake everyone does or did you learn from the video? Uh, yes to both questions. I um, I went ahead and re sanded the doors even when they came in really nicely sanded. I would make sure if there was any wax or, or anything on there that I would got it off. And then I pretreated uh, the soft pine and um, with a priest and conditioner. Yeah, exactly. It's a pristine conditioner and you just brush it on or are put it on with the rag, uh, let it dry about maybe 15, 20 minutes. And then within two hours of putting that on, do you have to stay? Yes. And uh, my first attempt at staining for some reason, uh, she who must be obeyed, insisted that I use a brush, um, against my better judgment.
Rick: And I used a brush, but we brought the doors inside the house because we wanted them to dry this century. Yeah. And, um, so we had them set up in the sun room, a little bit of a fan of going over the top of them using a low voc, volatile organic compound, uh, both stain and a polyurethane. So I didn't smell too bad. We weren't frying our Brighton sales then I put it on, but it dried so quickly behind me that I didn't get a chance to rub it off. Yes. And that was my first big mistake. And um, I found out that is helpful is your video is the best video to go see every time is how to fix things. You know, how to fix a bad stain job, how to fix that. And, and you, you are not necessarily a video, just a list and you'll see these discussions.
Rick: And there'll be eight or 10 people have really messed up their stain jobs. If you get this good information about what to do, it turns out the really simple thing to do, which I had, I guess I just don't have enough experience to even think about it, is just to put more stain on those spots. The mineral spirits that are in the stain that are, will evaporate off also a soften and will allow you to work that old state again and wipe it off. And so that, that was my first big screw up with this. And so I went to using a rag after that to work the staying in and doing small sections only, maybe a, uh, maybe two foot at a time. Uh, rub it and let it us or wipe it off. Move on to the next section section. And you can kind of do some blending at that spot where you break and the prize that in the end product, if you're consistent, you can't see where you start.
Rick: Stopped and started actually, right. And then, uh, yeah, we put on um, uh, two rounds of stain, uh, on all sides of the doors. So that was taking some time. Uh, one of the things that worked out really well for me is because we had a glass insert, we could set the uh, the doors on a table and set tuna cans underneath the glass where they touch the glass between glass and the door. And so we could flip the um, the doors and do them pretty quickly without having to wait for them to drive for four. You turn it over having all those Saul horse problems that you sometimes have when you stained. When I'm doing a door like that, I will drill in the top and the bottom, some pretty substantial drywall screws, like a three inch, two in the top, two in the bottom.
Rick: And then you and another person can flip the door like that. So you're not touching the door. You've got these screws in the top and bottom and you can move it that way. That is brilliant. Why? Why didn't you, but why didn't you put that in the video? Video number three, although we were both crazy in the same way, uh, because mine was more Rube Goldberg, I had thought about suspending, um, uh, two pieces of wire rope from the ceiling and putting the bolts in the center of the door so I could kind of spin them as I am.
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Eric: So I have a couple thoughts here for people. If you're thinking about staining wood, first of all, get some similar wood to your project, your scrap wood and practice. Um, take, do tests. I cause I had to match existing stained wood when I put these doors up. So I would lay down stain and I would first with a Sharpie, I would create rectangles on the piece of scrap wood. It was pine actually and that I would do the pretreatment and then I'd write five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes and I would lay down the stain and I'd rub the stain at five minutes, rub it a 10 and rub it at 15 cause you get an idea of how dark it'll go. And also you get to practice applying stain that way as well. So I would not start at the beginning and all of a sudden y'all just going to stay in this would, you know, buy a piece of scrap and work on that first.
Rick: What did you put that in the video? Okay, well let's do the second thing. We'll have a transfer
Eric: scripted this video of this talk and I will just make a video. So,
Rick: well, you know, it, it would actually be helpful to, um, you know, because a lot of us just don't have your experience in working with this stuff and we don't think about them, you know, all the permutations of what to go wrong, how to figure out things. Cause that was, you know, how long do you leave staying on? And uh, that was another discussion that went on twin. She and who must be obeyed myself. And uh, I was like, Yo, let's leave it on just your five minutes and you know, cause it's easy to restate and make it darker. Right. And, um, and she said she insisted that the cans said 15 minutes and that didn't take into account that were inside an air conditioned building with the fan going, you have ceiling fans blowing down on the, on your work. And of course she won.
Eric: So some background, she is a registered nurse. So
Rick: there are products
Eric: cause for everything. And she was a brilliant person for even considering being married to you.
Rick: You, you know, uh, you know, she gets points, just a humanitarian points for marrying and marrying the handicapped. I mean, you know, so let's,
Eric: okay, so another thing people need to realize is you have to let stain dry between coats, read the can, the can, the can spells out the truth, you know, and then when you're going to polyurethane, you have to let it dry again before you apply. So this is like a, it can be a two or three day project. It's, you're not going to get this all done in one day.
Rick: Yeah. And, uh, we, it's lucky that we, we were doing the work ourselves so we didn't have the pressure of uh, somebody coming in and we're trying to, uh, finish the doors, the staining and whatnot, and they're going to mount the hardware. Yeah. But, uh, you know, if, if that happens to you, uh, just know that you can unmount that door and take it back out as soon as the guy finishes with it, take it back out to your workshop and continue your staying in polyurethane project. Yes, it's on hinges. You can just pull out the pins and, right. So there, there are ways around almost every obstacle. So should we
Eric: move on onto the polyurethane part of the day?
Rick: Let me think. Oh No. Despite my very best efforts and using the, um, the pretreatment of, for the stain, I don't know how it happened, but one door on one side came out looking like an Appaloosa horse. Yes. I had the same thing. Yeah, I saw that in your video and I have no idea why that had happened. And so you, you learn to just accept that despite your best efforts. Sometimes something is going to happen. And that required me to take the, uh, uh, door outside, uh, set up in the shade and uh, use the sand dirt and sand it down, uh, get all that stain off and whatever was underneath it. And I have no idea what that was underneath it.
Eric: Interesting comment on the youtube video that, that happened on. A gentleman said that more than likely at the warehouse, some kind of liquid was splashed on the door while it was being stored.
Rick: Oh, maybe.
Eric: Maybe when they were loading it, it was winter and it's salt water or some kind of fluid off of a forklift truck or something. But um, but yeah, I had to send the whole thing down. So that was very interesting that it was basically somewhere in the process, the manufacturing process, something got spilled on there. Spray sprayed on there.
Rick: Yeah. And the other thing that kind of annoyed me is I had already sanded it because, you know, I started off, I did a pre sand just just to be sure I would catch anything like that and I still got caught out.
Eric: Yeah. It's weird cause it goes on and then all of a sudden, an hour later you're like, what is that and why? What did I do wrong? You know,
Rick: and you know,
Eric: the other thing to realize though, when these kinds of things happen because of the texture of the glass, it's only on one side. And we wanted the texture on the outside. It did occur to me that I, it wasn't as bad as I thought because we wanted the texture of the glass on the outside. That particular side was on the inside the backside of the door and it would be against the wall and no one would actually see it very much. And so, uh, it's Kinda like a Christmas tree, you know, you turn the bad bad side to the wall and you know, and that, so that worked out for me, but I went ahead and reset re stained it and sanded it and restate it just to, uh, to catch up cause I couldn't stand up a project that wasn't nearly perfect. Right. Yeah. So then how did you set about the polyurethane,
Rick: polyurethane? Not Ones I stayed in the same family I used. Um, Minwax and so I wanted to use their Minwax, um, poly urethane smart. And this is where I actually screwed up the first time though because I had that can, that, uh, they, there are some varieties of Minwax poly that do not mix with the variety, uh, another variety of stains in their, in their system. You've got to read them. But I, I got the right one. It was a low volatile organic compound and that stuff is dangerous. Uh, high BLCs. Um, I mean they literally, they say drinking kills brain cells. High Voc really kills brain cells. I went to school with a guy, uh, who was supposedly pretty bright at one time and he worked in the, uh, a university press, uh, printing office and, uh, he was cleaning, uh, those machines every day with a high voc and not wearing a respirator or gloves. And, uh, he ended up, uh, mentally in a very bad place.
Eric: You can get an organic vapor mass, very, I mean, they're 34, maybe 40 bucks at so worth it.
Rick: Yeah. Yeah. And they're worth it just for the peace of mind, even if you're using a low voc a and I bought one and used it. Yeah. So also
Eric: Kinda real quick there, there are, there are water-based polyurethanes, there's oil based poly or things. And then there are these blended ones as well. And I almost got caught up in this cause the stain I was using, I've learned I had to buy the special kind of Minwax poly that as actually kind of hard to find, but I found it and used it, but just read, read the cans because even a ma, even in a same manufacturer, they're not all compatible.
Rick: Right. And, uh, you know, they, they have, you know, oil, both stains, water-based stains and then they had the new gel stains. And, and that the, I think the real in compatibility happens over there on that gel end. But, um, they're, they're just all kinds of little things that you have to keep track of.
Eric: I've never had a good experience with the gel stains, but that's, it's, I haven't done it a lot either. So. Yeah.
Rick: And so the, the poly went fine. Uh, getting it on, uh, getting it stayed. Just take your time, put it on thin and uh, and you know, pay attention to what you're doing. Find some reef, something that reflects, you know, like light from a window and get down low and see if there are any voids or hollows and be sure and check for holidays. You know, little drips down the side that pull up on the backside of your, you're a door. Oops. Yeah, I had a few of those first time
Eric: you can use a clamp light for that as well. If you don't have a a that way you can shot, you can move the clamp light around or have your friend move the clamp light around at a really low angle to the door and you can look right across the whole thing.
Rick: Yeah, I actually was using my, um, my sitting bucket, uh, my, um, orange store bucket that has lid that I, I, that I use for gardening, but I actually sat on that so I'd be at a really low angle so I could, uh, see, uh, any holidays missed spots, uh, cause you really want to do a very fine job, but you won't do a very thin job, uh, too much. Um, too much. Polly is not right.
Eric: Your friend, when you're mixing poly or thing, do not shake it. You went to stir it because if you shake it, you'll introduce air bubbles into it, which make for a very poor finish.
Rick: Yeah. Uh, particularly if you're not, if it's your final finish, uh, you can correct for that with, um, a little bit of a steel wool datum. Tell me, do you still wall or do you, uh, sand between your, your finishes?
Eric: I use the steel wool. Uh, I don't understand how it works. It seems counterintuitive that you're sanding the polyurethane, the smooth, polyurethane, and you just put down, but it makes a huge difference. You're, you're knocking down the little high points. You're giving a tooth to the new layer. And I, I use Pollio steel will for od steel, will very fine steel. And then I go over with a tack cloth, which is cheese cloth that has, I think bees wax in it. And that lifts up all the, uh, the debris that you've, you've scuffed up basically. Right.
Rick: And take your time between coats and really work the, uh, the, uh, tack rag because, uh, that's where you'll screw up your finish. You'll get a little sand or a little debris from the, um, the uh, steel wool and next thing you know, you've sealed that in under the code.
Eric: Yeah. And then the more time you take the better at it takes a while for the polyurethane to cure each time. Some of them say you can recoat in an hour. It just depends, you know, if all else fails, read directions. So yeah, I was,
Rick: I had enough time that I could recode, uh, just once a day and get a nice hard finish every day. And I think that really helped to, um, to make it come out looking good.
Eric: They look great. Except is that a sat and finish or sat in polyurethane? It's a satin finish. Yeah. I think that looks better. My floors in my brownstone were polyurethane with this super shiny, super high gloss and it was horrible. But luckily we have Labradors who knocked that finish down.
Rick: Just scoped it right up.
Eric: Yeah, that and my, my robot vacuum.
Rick: So, but you know, it, it came out all right. But it was a frustrating and I spent one really sleepless night just, um, you know, when that Appaloosa finish came out, uh, just, you know, cursing everybody and everything,
Eric: right. Cause they're expensive doors and you're like, what the h did I do. You know? And it's something that you have to realize that not everything is within your control. So.
Rick: Oh, well one thing we do need to talk about, first of all, this was not the first set of doors. This project has been hanging fire since, um, March. Uh, we are the custom ordered doors. We got them from the orange store and when they arrived, uh, the manufacturer had put the wrong glass inside and so they had to reorder and then they reordered and they showed up and some reason they were pallet mounted and just raw together and had pallet straps, uh, where they had crushed the wood Time-Warner. Well now on the corners, cross middle of the door. And so I was thinking, well, do I send it back and you know, refuse it in order another set and you'd think, well, they'll find a new way to screw those up. Yeah. And so I went ahead and took them cause they were at least pretty close to what we wanted. And I did spend a lot of time, um, uh, sanding and filling. Uh, and I should've called you and asked, what kind of wood filler do you use or, cause, I mean there's the micro bubbles. Um, you know, it's almost like a styrofoam that you can put in there. And then there's a standard wood filler, which I have no idea what that stuff is. Um,
Eric: sawdust and a and a sire and a glue, a staying compliant glue basically.
Rick: Yeah. And frankly those, those spots did not a stain up as well as I'd hoped now. But I, you know, I worked with what I had and I'm a, it's like you told me and this is the best advice you ever gave me. You know, in two weeks you'll know
Eric: exactly because you know you're obsessing about this and when you get the doors up there's going to be other stuff around the doors and your eyes are looking all over the place, not at the lower left corner where that little ding is in the door. Yeah, exactly. I would paint so many rooms when I had my painting, contracting business and the client would obsess over what kind of color and I'd be like, look, why don't you put all your junk in this room? And it was true and it would really be kind of crushing because we would build, we'd paint these beautiful rooms and then I'd maybe have to come back a week later to get paid or something or hang something for them. And they put all this junk in the room. And I'm like, what did you do to my room?
Rick: You know? Well, you know, I hit, I knew that lesson is just, you had to remind me because, uh, I painted our front door and, um, it was a two tone paint, a kind of a beige and a black trim. And there were spots on there that it was so hot and I was so tired. I said, I'm just gonna have to come back out and finish this and you know, take it off and Redo it again. And I talked myself out of it and a week later, uh, I, I'd forgotten all about that little flaw down that, that little corner over there. Yeah. So
Eric: it happens. I do want to circle back to the, uh, on Minwax, I think it's called pre stained conditioner. Cause my father in law, um, got me to stay in, he's a cabinet maker. He's very talented. He's like, Oh, you can do all the staining. And He's, he gave me this, can a priest and condition. I'm like, I don't need this. This is, you know, we don't, you know, and you really do on softwoods like pine, you really do need to use that because pine, the heartwood and the Sapwood, the different pieces of the wood absorb stain radically differently and the priests and conditioners smoothed that out. So do not skip that step because you will learn from me.
Rick: Well you know in it like say you just have to take your time and really do every step. There are no short cups in a in doing that.
Eric: Oh I've gotta be the title of the show. There are north shore cuts and staining wood.
Rick: Well I think
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Rick: Oh, well then you're just listening to the wrong podcast. Okay. First is longform podcast. That's what it's called. Yeah. Long form podcast. And they interview some of the most interesting people, uh, writers, authors, business people, uh, academics, thinkers, uh, all kinds of things. It is wonderful
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Rick: no, yeah, yeah, I understand. I understand your appeal, your pain. The other is aspen ideas to go. Huh. And this is a s, p. E n. It's after the Aspen festival and Aspen, Colorado. And it's, it's kind of like Ted talks, but their, uh, their audio and the [inaudible] yeah. And yeah, they're, they're a little less, uh, you know, sometimes I love, I love Ted talks when they began, but you know, uh, people have started parodying them because they were just so set and yell you where you take your fingers and all the, all the little things you do that just, it was almost like a formula to habitat.
Eric: No, I thought about doing a garden fork version of the Ted talk about something really just
Rick: mundane or just off the freaking law. Now, here's one that I absolutely adore and I think you will too. It's cool. It's from the BBC. It's 30 animals that made us smarter. Oh. And it's about Geckos. How GIC, it's really about biomimicry, how we're creating things. Um, new things for science and human beings, uh, by mimicking nature, um, Geckos and adhesive because of the way they are, they can climb anything with pads that are not sticky. They're actually hairy. And so it's counterintuitive. Spiders and robots, they're making rescue robots now that work like spiders do, you know, spiders do not have muscles in their legs. They work on hydraulics. They increase blood pressure to extend. That's when you see a dead spider and it's all curled up. A, that's just natural state. It has blood pressure, increases the blood pressure to extend that leg and then releases the pressure to close it.
Rick: And they're creating a robots that work like that, that can run as fast as a spider, a maneuver like spider climb walls. Uh, and the, the idea, the idea of the robot is, um, that it would be a rescue robot going into rubble and debris looking for survivors taking in microphones, that kind of thing. Sharks, sharks have, particularly with sharks, a podcast or this, this thing. No, no, no, no. I'm just fascinated by the story. I can tell my last one now. I'll pass. I'll shut up. But the, the shark and the Glock of the shark particularly has a skin that bacteria will not adhere to because of the way it's constructed and their bio using that as biomimicry in hospitals now on surfaces that people touch because bacteria will not adhere and grow to that. Wow. And so it's, it's just fascinating, uh, stories about, um, you know, things around us in the world. It also makes you wonder, you know, if we're losing all these species, how many, uh, um, you know, really great ideas and technologies are going to go with them because we didn't realize soon enough, um, you know, through extinction, uh, what a wonder some of these, uh, um, animals have solved what problems they'd solved.
Eric: Wow. Well, thank you. All right, I will link, I will put those names in the podcast notes, um, which you can, by the way, you can see, depending on which podcast app you're using, if you just scroll up from the little player, usually like little garden for gritty icon and you can scroll up. Just thumb up, swipe up I guess on your phone. And at least on the iTunes pod, the podcast app for the app, iPhones, all the texts and informational texts blow with clickable links. One of those clickable links is to sign up for my weekly email, which you are missing out on. So I'm not missing out on it. You can also just go to our website and it should be on every page, but if, if not, garden fork.tv/news, the link in the show notes here.
Rick: One more podcast and I'll let you go. Okay, one more. I promise. It's a science rules with Bill Nye.
Eric: Oh, I just saw a image for that
Rick: and he does remarkable interviews in the realm of science about, uh, all the things you're interested in, space launches and uh, solar sales. Um, you know, search for extra terrestrial life, uh, just everything. Space-Related and, and he, he's, you know, he's moving into more regular sites or other science issues as well. But it's, it's just, it's wonderful to hear, you know, interesting, positive, uh, people that are getting us out of our every everyday we grubby little existences and, and a political turmoil to, uh, to listen to some of this stuff and uh, get away from that and kind of lift your eyes up a little bit.
Eric: All right. Yeah, I actually saw a, uh, a documentary about him and he was, it was very good. He was a debating several times. Um, this gentleman who, ah, denies, uh, evolution and I don't, I don't know if he built the arc that's, um, it's, I think it's in the middle of the country, but he visited that, uh, that arch they built with the, uh, evolution denier and they had kind of debate in the Ark itself. And I think, I think in one of the stalls when the animal stalls was like a terra ductal or something, um, a prehistoric dinosaur like animal and Bill Nye is like, how can you have a dinosaur in your art? Because when Noah was alive, they didn't have this dinosaur. And it was interesting. He's fighting the good fight. So I got them a lot.
Rick: He's also president of the planetary society. Uh, did you know that the, a planetary society launched a yacht, essentially a cube sat, yeah. That, that has a solar sail. So they were actually, you know, these are amateur astronomers or at least the private sector going out there and doing these proof of concept things to, uh, to prove they actually work. And that's very much a bootstrapped organization. So very much, very much
Eric: so. Along those same lines, uh, I don't know if you've seen, um, the new PBS series called chasing the moon. Not yet. I plan to amazing isn't, it's, no, there are no talking heads in it. And uh, I'd heard that. I'm a, I'm a PBS donor, I think. I think I gave him like $6 a month and I get what's called their passport to their back catalog. So it already broadcasting will rebroadcast, I think you can watch it online for maybe the next month. But if you become a PBS passport supporter, you get their whole back catalog you can watch on their website or through your apple TV box. And it's pretty amazing. But I'm a big mean Moon Geek. Me and Jimmy, my executive producer had been talking about, we're trying to get Mike from space rocket history on, but go check that out. Chasing the moon. It's great cause they're interviewing people who aren't, they don't interview Neil Armstrong, they're interviewing other people. Some of them you know, behind this. A lot of behind the scenes people. I'm one of the few NASA engineers who was a woman, uh, interviewed in there. I know it's just really good and it's all, um, there's voice over interviews and then showing, uh, footage during the NASA moon rocket. I'm mumbling and during the sixth. So it's not a lot of this Ken Burns talking head stuff.
Rick: Right. And I heard a podcast, I think it was a long form podcast with the, uh, director of the producer events series. And he said they did that intentionally. They did not want to distract from the visual images and they went way beyond the NASA catalog, which is what most people use for the, for the films. They were going everywhere in the world, trying to find more footage, more people to talk to. And so it's not just a rehash of things you probably see in a dozen times from NASA. This is all, well not all but a lot new material, but they didn't want to distract from the visual, so they just had the audio, uh, cover. Uh, and it, it worked out beautifully. I think. Uh, I, I have seen trailers that I haven't seen the actual thing waiting for a good moment. Like when I finished my stations.
Eric: Well, speaking of another beautiful moment, uh, this is the time of the show where we go and look and see if we had any new reviews on iTunes.
Rick: Well, I hope so. You know Eric is actually crushed if there are no reviews due to do, and if you love Eric, you go and do a review.
Eric: One, two, three, four, five, six, six new ones. That's great. Are you there? Sounds like there's wind blowing over your microphone. There's thunder outside. Oh, okay. First one deep dive on being handy. I grew up as a kid, fascinated with the foxfire books. Hand Up. Me Too. Me Too. And Aaron's home spun advice and how tos reminds me of those books. Youtube channels also must great info and fun. Listened to five stars. Thank you, Bill from [inaudible] master 13 2019 update. You can update your review. By the way, Eric has really dedicated himself to improving the podcast and his videos. What's he mean by that? What was that in all caps taking classes, upgraded equipment, and an elevated confidence or elevated confidence. Yeah, a must listen for the DIY enthusiast. Eric and his friends host an eclectic DIY homesteading, gardening, cooking, and much more podcasts. Eric's a long time video blogger and his extended into this podcast.
Eric: He splits his time between Brooklyn and his cabin in the woods. Each episode is a fun mix of topics on whatever's holding their interest at the moment. Exactly. Each episode feels like a visit with good friends who have lots of practical advice. I credit Eric with giving a city boy like me the courage to buy and fix up a cabin in the woods. Holy Cow. Wow. You're, you're the next Henry David Thoreau should get an admission on these mortgages. You will learn. You will laugh and you will be inspired to try something new. Oh, how cool is that? Yeah. Let's wonderful. Thank you for that. A fidget and smudge FiveStars really enjoyed listening to the podcasts during the day. While I work. There's a lot of good information to learn and Eric and his crew keep me laughing. Keep up the good work. Also love the videos. Yay.
Eric: Thank you. I think it was for Tina. A Basel Worth Group says DIY at its best. FiveStars Eric and his slash friends will educate you on everything from DIY as well as humor. Interesting facts and Labradors to Eric's approach of if I can do it, you can do it and done is better than perfect. We'll encourage you to tackle those projects. Wow. My mantras are coming through. That's great. Yeah, that's wonderful. A fun and educational five stars by Tins, a, t, m, Z, Z. A. I've yet to come away without learning something new. Listening to Eric and his friends is like sitting around with friends and having a wonderful conversation. That's exactly what I want this to be like. It's fun and always. I look forward to the next show. It makes my 3:00 AM commute to work more enjoyable. Who boy allege painful? The show is a great addition to the youtube channel.
Eric: Keep up the great work. My friends from Tony. Thank you, Tony. Tony. That is a great pod podcast by Jennifer, Ohio. I've been listening for years. This podcast is so multifaceted by always interesting and educational. Thank you, Eric and Rick. My favorite coat karst. Oh, who was that again? Jennifer, Ohio. Jennifer. Well thank you. Jennifer will be over there and it's Prius very quickly. I you some pancakes. I'll even drive the Prius prime instead of the Prius primitive. All right, so we, oh wow. This is a long show, but you should feel good. You should feel loved. I do you feel, are you feeling love? I do. I feel I feel better than when I did walking out of my therapist's office this morning. So, which we're going to talk about [inaudible] we reckon I or threatening to talk about it. So we needed to talk about therapy, so, yeah. Alright. Okay. Thank you for taking time, sir. Thank you for telling your epic story. Yeah, it was kind of epic on Felica was a dominating the narrative, but again, it was my narrative so you couldn't tell it for me. I thought you were bagging the microphone. I didn't realize it was thunder art or one go out and make it a great day. Radio at Garden Fork Dot TBR. I was wanting to hear from you guys. Thank you. Talk to you later, my friend. Bye Bye.
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